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Netflix Watch Instantly Silverlight workaround for Windows XP

Posted by silentarchimedes on March 29, 2009

Netflix Watch Instantly Silverlight 2.0 workaround for Windows XP

I might have a pseudo-workaround for this problem… At least it worked for me.

Like many people, I have been having choppy streaming video using Silverlight on Netflix’s Watch Instantly on my Windows XP computer. The problem appears to be that Silverlight does not buffer ahead enough. The next problem is that Silverlight dynamically determines the play speed (500, 1000, 1500 Kbs) and the accompanying buffer rate (500, 1000, 1500 Kbs) so the user has very little control over it. This is the sequence I noticed every time:

1. Start Netflix player

2. Video is smooth for the first 10 sec or so.

3. Video begins to become choppy (frame dropping) and unwatchable.

And it never recovers.

DIAGNOSTICS

So SIlverlight comes with a hidden diagnostic menu. On my XP, press Shift-Alt at the same time and click on the video with the left mouse button. A Diagnostic menu shows up under the mouse pointer (Figure 1).

Press Shift-Alt and click on video

Figure 1: Press Shift-Alt and click on video

Click on the A/V menu item. What I noticed was this:

1. Start Netflix player.

2. Press Shift-Alt and click on the video with mouse (Figure 1).

3. Bring up A/V menu item. I noticed the Playing video bitrate was 500, and the Buffering video bitrate was 1500 (Figure 2). Sounds good right? Well…

Figure 2: Initial play/buffer rates when player starts

Figure 2: Initial play rate is 500 and buffer rate is 1500 when player starts

3. After about 10 sec, the play rate started to dynamically increase from 500 to 1000 to 1500. I noticed that the instant the play rate went up to 1000 and then 1500, the video became choppy. I also noticed the buffering bitrate dropped to 1000. Now the play rate was faster than the buffer bitrate! At the bottom of the A/V Stats, the Dropped Frames (/sec) had also increased to 15-20+ (Figure 3).

Figure 3: Video becomes choppy. Play rate:1500, buffer rate:1000

Figure 3: Video becomes choppy. Play rate:1500, buffer rate:1000

SOLUTION

So the key here is how to decrease the play rate or increase the buffer rate. This worked for me:

1. Press Shift-Alt and click on the video with mouse.

2. Click on Stream Manager and check the Manual Selection box. Then check the 500 bitrate box (Figure 4).

Figure 4: Open up the Stream Manager Menu

Figure 4: Open up the Stream Manager Menu

3. Now bring up the A/V menu item again. You will notice that the playrate is still 1500, but the buffering rate is now 500.

4. The video will remain choppy until Silverlight recognizes this major discrepancy. For me, the playing bitrate eventually dropped to 500 to coincide with the buffer rate. This could take a few minutes. What worked really well for me was moving the playbar back to the beginning. When they are both even at 500, the video was no longer choppy and was watchable for the rest of the video. When it works, the Dropped Frames (/sec) never goes above 2.

Figure 5: Smooth video. Rates both at 500.

Figure 5: Smooth video. Rates both at 500.

If this didn’t work, look at the important notes below:

Important note 1: I noticed that clicking on the Manual Selection box and 500  doesn’t always update the rates right away. The A/V Stats still showed play rate at 1500 and buffer rate at 500. I would go to the Stream Manager, and although the Manual box is still checked, the bitrate had reverted back to 1500. Try moving the play bar around… maybe to the beginning of the video. For me, this would instantly switch both rates to 500.

Important note 2: If it still doesn’t work, try clicking again on the 500 box. Get out of the menu. Check the A/V Stats, and the play rate should eventually drop to 1000. When it happens go back to the Stream Manager, and the 500 bitrate box should now be checked and set. When it works, the Current at the top should say 500, and the play rate and buffer rate in A/V Stats should both say 500.

If the playrate is not automatically dropping to 500 after a while, try moving the play bar to the beginning of the video. Or restart your browser and try again.

Important note 3: If both rates say 500, but the video remains choppy and then the play rate goes back up to 1000, it is because the video is so far behind, it it is having a hard time catching up. So what I do is either move the play bar ahead or to the beginning.  I usually do that anyways,so I can watch the video from the beginning!

Important note 4: You will have to redo the whole syncing process if you watch another video, so it’s a crude workaround. Also, sometimes I noticed if I watched another video in a sequence (like a sitcom) by clicking on the arrows at the bottom; although both rates were at 500, the dropped frames/sec was still somewhat high (~10). One work around for this is to close and open your browser again. When it works, the Dropped Frames (/sec) should never go above 2 or 3.

This method seems to work for me every time and playing at the 500 bitrate was very watchable. It gets faster too once you get the process down.

The computer I tried this on is a pretty old computer:

Dell Precision Workstation 420 MT, 512RAM, Pentium IIIE, 1000Mhz
Microsoft Windows XP Professional with SP3
Matrox Graphics Millennium G400 MAX AGP
Dell 17″ monitor at 1280×1024

My Internet connection is Fast Ethernet. And it worked with both IE6 and Firefox 3.0.8. It did seem that this method was more reliable for IE than Firefox though.

Let me know if this method worked for you or if it didn’t. If you also have other experiences regarding this method or suggestions, please post a comment so others can learn from it.

Good luck!

7 Responses to “Netflix Watch Instantly Silverlight workaround for Windows XP”

  1. martin said

    Unfortunately the fix didn’t work for me — I wasn’t able to “apply” the manual stream settings. But you seem to have done more work on a fix than netflix has, so thanks for the post!

  2. Jim said

    Was able to adjust bitrate in stream manager so both playback and buffer were at 500, but still had very choppy video, with dropped frame rates consistently over 20 per second. I did all you suggested, and tried it in both Firefox 3.08 and IE 8 – no difference.

  3. Jim2 said

    It seems that if you change the stream manager setting to manual, it will buffer the whole movie.

  4. Paul said

    Hey thanks, that did help me so far. The quality is poor, blurry but not too choppy anymore. It’s workable but no where near as good as the old player. I have a pentium M 1.6GHz with 1.5G ram.

  5. tessa said

    I have an old sony vaio laptop, xp pro sp2, Pentium 4 2.80GHz, 512ram, AT&T/Bellsouth DSL. Until the switch to silverlight I had no experiences with Netflix being choppy, whereas sites like Hulu are unbearable at times. Video quality on Netflix with the old player was low, but never choppy. In fact I always thought Netflix would be perfect if their player (the old one) was combined with Hulu content.

    I tried your solution and it significantly decreased the choppy playback. It occasionally gets hung up still, but I can actually make it through a whole video. Thanks!

  6. Carl said

    worked for me. excellent post. after 14 months, I am able to watch netflix movies online again. Wouldn’t it be great if Silverlight does allow the manual settings to stick so that we don’t have to fuss with it all the time?

  7. Steve G said

    I’ve been messing around or at least paying attention to this over the past few weeks.

    I’ve done a lot of testing from different locations on different computers all of varying CPU power..
    Also tested with other peoples accounts and home computers while visiting.
    Most that I’ve tested were faster than 2.4GHz and multi-core Desktop systems.
    Tested 5 high end laptop systems as well.
    Some were very fast single core gaming systems with VERY clean installs with few as possible services and software running on them including
    no anti-virus/spyware/firewall software including WIndows firewall..
    These are dedicated gaming or media boxes and do not need those types of software running on them.

    Bottom line my opinion is that the Silverlight Video and/or codec simply sucks that’s it.
    In ALL cases I had no dropped frames (per the diagnostics screen/menu)and was testing with excellent Internet connectivity..
    In ALL tests I see what I percieve as jerkyness or to describe it more precisely.. dropped or completely missing frames regardless of
    buffers & frame counts showing no loss at all.
    The frames are simply not there I suspect dropped at netflix in the encoding process because they need to do that to keep it at 1.5Mbps
    In all my tests I’m showing plenty of buffer filled (nearly or at 100%) and zero dropped frames…
    you can really see the dropped frames in the scrolling credits at the end of a show..
    I NEVER had this problem with the old player at all..
    This sucks.. I’m not terribly upset because I don’t watch it that much it was just an added cool thing for us when it was flawless..
    I can’t stand the jerky dropped frame video.. it’s lame.
    I go as far as to say I think anyone and everyone who is not complaining and saying “it’s fine” simply is not that picky.
    It’s fine if you’re used to 20FPS web video.
    If you have a good eye for video and what it should look like it’s not fine at all… across the board I’m convinced of that.
    I’ve even tried CPU affinity to one CPU core and setting it as realtime priority (as well as using a very fast single core CPU and same test)..
    No different same intermittent missing frame look…
    I’ve always got a good 1.5Mbps stream in all of my tests.
    I say it’s bad where it’s being encoded period!
    And a lot of folks are not that picky.
    :-)

    SG

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